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How can we at least break even?

August 25, 2009 | Author: Sally | Filed under: Real Estate

This post is the continuation of yesterday’s post.

By modulating the figures in my tool, I find that:

  • In most cases, the micro-BIC plan is not a good option. You’ll have to actually make very good profits for it to be an interesting option. It will be even less interesting from now on as they modified the percentage that is supposed to account for expenses. Up until last year, they considered that 71% of your rental income had been spent in expenses. As of next year, they will apparently lower that percentage to 51%, which doesn’t reflect our reality at all. And according to what I’ve been reading on the Internet, it doesn’t reflect the situations of lots of other “small owners” either. So the best system (or the lesser of two evils actually!) is the simplified actual profit system.
  • If we managed to actually break even (0€ in our actual profits), we would still have profits as defined by tax laws because the amount of capital that you pay back is not deductible, only interests and loan insurance. Therefore we would still have to pay taxes. We would also need the services of an accountant, at least the first time, because the paperwork looks pretty repulsive and complicated, and you certainly don’t want to mess with the Treasury!
  • If we managed to actually profit let’s say 500€ anually, our declarable income would be much higher since only part of the loan payments are deductible, as explained previously. Therefore we would have to pay in taxes much more than we actually profited, leaving us again with negative figures. Man, how are successful real estate investors doing it?!
  • In order to break even after paying taxes, we would have to make a profit of about 1000€. How can we profit that much with two little studios? Let’s find out tomorrow.

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What rent should we charge to get 1000€ in actual profits before tax?–Short On Cashflow - Gravatar

What rent should we charge to get 1000€ in actual profits before tax?–Short On Cashflow said on August 26, 2009, 1:16 am:

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François said on August 26, 2009, 1:59 am:

Have you taken into account capital amortization ? With furnished rental, you can write off every year some percentage of the property value, including works and furnitures. Since you also have loan interests and insurance, you should be able to cancel your tax. I own two small flats in Paris, and I’ve never paid any taxes because I use this tax option. Of course, after a couple of years (6-7 in my case), you don’t have enough to write off because loan interest is decreasing and furnitures and works have been written off. So, you start to pay tax, but at least you have avoided some taxes. And when you reach this point, you can go to Micro-BIC, or… buy another flat !

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Sally said on August 26, 2009, 4:25 am:

Thank you François for your comment. I didn’t take capital amortization into account so I will definitely learn about it and see how it affects those calculations.

You know, I’m impressed that you own two flats in Paris. Is it working ok for you? Fred and I used to rent a small flat in Paris and I remember that the landlords were not too happy with their investment, apparently they kept losing money despite the high rent they were charging.

Hahahaha!!! I don’t know if I’m psychologically ready to buy another flat! But it’s great to learn from your experience. As you can see, we are not too successful (yet!) with our real estate investments so it’s nice to discuss with other people and get new ideas and tips from them. Keep posting!

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