How we ignored the tax variable in our investment calculations and screwed up for the next 19 years
Income tax regulations vary depending on:
- whether you are a professional leaser or a nonprofessional leaser
- and whether you rent out furnished places or unfurnished places
Basically, you are considered a professional leaser if your annual rental income reaches a certain amount of money (around 20,000€ I think) and/or if you are a registered company. Otherwise, you are considered a nonprofessional leaser. Fred and I fall into the latter, of course.
When you rent out unfurnished properties, your rental income is taxed in a category called “real estate income”, whereas when you rent furnished properties the category is called “industrial and commercial profits”. So, Fred and I are taxed as nonprofessional leasers in the “industrial and commercial profits” category.
- micro-BIC
- simplified actual profits
There are two ways of declaring taxes in that category:
If your annual rental income is less than around 75,000€, you can qualify for what they call “micro-BIC”, which simply means “micro industrial and commercial profits”. The advantage is that the paperwork is light: you are taxed on 29% of your rental income (income, not profit). The tax percentage depends on the tax bracket you belong to. The reason why you are taxed on 29% of the rental income is that they consider that 71% cover for legitimate rental -related expenses (such as community expenses, owners’ tax, renovation of property, etc.).
This is a great plan if your expenses amount to 71% or less of your rental income. But if your expenses amount to more than 71% or if you are in deficit, it’s another story. So, if you don’t qualify for the micro-BIC plan or you feel it’s not the best option for you, you can use the second method, called “simplified actual profits plan”.
The simplified actual profit plan enables you to declare your exact income and expenses and therefore pay taxes only on the money you did profited. If you are negative, your loss is transferred to the next year’s tax return and taken into account in the calculation of the tax category your fall into (either real estate or industrial and commercial profits).
The downside is that it entails heavy legal and bookkeeping obligations. If you have a good accounting background, maybe you can handle it. If you are like us though, you’ll have to hire the services of an accountant: the estimate we requested amounted to 600€ annually.
So Fred and I started doing the math. Since we are in deficit this year and the deficit can be transferred to next year’s tax return, the decision is to be made by comparing the accountant’s fee to the amount we would have to pay in taxes in the micro-BIC plan (20% of 29% of our rental income) and the amount of the loss that we can transfer.
And here comes an important variable that we didn’t know: because we invested in our own names, our loan payments are not considered expenses in our tax return. This means that, in the eyes of the law, we are almost breaking even while really we are in deficit. Therefore, the amount in taxes that an actual profit plan would save us is less than the accountant’s fee: it’s simply not worth the extra expense and hassle.
After realizing that our loan payments were not considered legitimate expenses, Fred and I started digging and we found out that loan payments are deductible only for companies, not private persons. At that point, we thought we could just create a company (in France, there is a special type called SCI –real estate civil company— that could meet our needs although they require extra legal obligations every year), sell our flats to our own company for an insignificant price, pay the relevant taxes for change of ownership and next year be able to deduct the loan payments.
That sounded like a possible plan but you know what: we got our loans in our own names and only if they are in the name of the company can they be deducted…Basically, we totally screwed up (again!) and are now bound to paying taxes on profits we don’t make.
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François said on March 3, 2009, 2:30 am:
Your loan payments are not legitimate expenses, but the loan interests are. So, maybe you should check again whether it’s worthwhile using actual profits declaration. It’s not that complicated; and even if you have to pay 600€ the first year so that your accountant can explain to you how to do it, you can easily do it yourself the following years.
François.
Sally said on March 4, 2009, 6:33 am:
François, thank you very much for your comment. Do you have by any chance a strong background in accounting or do you happen to be a real estate investor too? The reason I’m asking is that you seem to have experience in the field of tax returns.
Your comment about loan interests made me reconsider the whole tax thing all over again and I realized I might have got confused before: are interests and agios the same thing? Anyway, I’m going to write a post about that and your view is obviously welcome!
Thanks again and please keep commenting!
Francois said on August 25, 2009, 2:59 pm:
I’m sorry I didn’t see your reply earlier… so, here is a very late answer.
Yes, I’m a real investor too. I bought two 1 bedroom flats in Paris, and I’m renting them furnished, medium-term contracts. I compared all the tax options, before choosing non professional leaser, furnished rental, simplified actual profits. This is the more complicated tax option, but the more interesting as you can write off your investment. You cannot do it with “micro-foncier” or non-furnished rental.
Interests and agios are similar, although interests are within the scope of a regular loan, while you pay agios when your bank account is in the red.
A few things have changed in 2009 for taxes:
- to be a professional leaser, you need to earn 23 000 € from the rental, AND this should be more than 50% of your total income. (before, it was “and / or”) So, now very few people can be professional leaser. The only advandages being the national health insurance, and, after 5 years of activity, no taxes to pay if you sell a property higher than the price you bought it. But you have to prove it was not speculation…
- micro-BIC is less interesting now, as you are taxed on approximatively 50%, and not the light 29% like in the past.
Your accountant is cheap. Mine is 800€ before taxes for 2 properties. Could you give me hiq contact details ?
Also, note that you cannot swith from one tax option to another one when you like it. There are some constrainsts; I believe you need to keep one option for at least 3 years. I’m not sure; your accountant should be able to confirm.
François.
Sally said on August 26, 2009, 4:40 am:
Wow, see I thought that furnished rental was kind of a mistake (I discuss it in a later post this week, feel free to comment) whereas in your experience it’s the best tax option. You say you can write off the investment: you mean loan interests and capital amortization, right? Because according to the accountant we talked to last March, since we bought in our own name instead of in the name of a company (like SCI), the capital we pay back is not deductible.
Thanks for clearing up the changes in the law. I knew about the change in percentage in the micro-BIC plan. I don’t really get it though. You would think that in the current crisis they would try to relieve the tax burden off investors, not make it heavier.
I know that you are not allowed to change tax plan easily. I hope they still let me though (I’ll try). I think it’s two years, not three, but maybe that’s another change in the tax law. One of my next post will actually deal with our dilemma choosing our tax plan for this year.
I’m going to send you the accountant’s contact info by email.
François said on August 27, 2009, 4:46 am:
Hi Sally,
When I’m saying you can write-off the investment, I mean the price you paid for the property + works costs + furnitures prices. This has nothing to do with the loan; you could do it even if you had no loan. The rules to do that are fairly complicated, and sometimes questionned by the tax office. This is why you need an accountant.
François.

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